On Apr 14, 7:49 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Apr 12, 11:12 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > On Apr 11, 7:50 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> > On Apr 10, 11:04 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >> > The insensitive misanthrope Dolan knows nothing of the
sacrifice,
> >> >> >> > pain
> >> >> >> > and suffering that will haunt others for the rest of their
lives.
> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> > presume his time in the Navy was a none too traumatic
peacetime
> >> >> >> > stint.
>
> >> >> >> The Great Ed Dolan is the Greatest Hero known to him. Believe
you
> >> >> >> me,
> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> no easy thing to survive 4 years in the Navy during peacetime.
The
> >> >> >> amount
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> shit you have to put up with staggers the mind. Once I even had
to
> >> >> >> clean
> >> >> >> garbage pails!
>
> >> >> > Hero is one of the most misused words in any language and Conan
the
> >> >> > Librarian perpetuates its abuse here undermining and cheapening
the
> >> >> > term properly reserved for what a hero is by definition.
>
> >> >> > Psychologists or sociologists may explain some day what it is
about
> >> >> > that distant land of green mountains and fields merging with
azure
> >> >> > sea, that for millennia has acted as a magnet for foreigners who
> >> >> > sought glory there and found frustration, who believed that in
its
> >> >> > rice fields and jungles some principle was to be established and
> >> >> > entered only to recede in delusion. When we entered Vietnam, we
> >> >> > became suddenly aware that we were entering into the heart of
> >> >> > darkness
> >> >> > and the edge of civilization, but we entered. Our country was
> >> >> > beckoning. Illusion and reality blended into the landscape, and
> >> >> > time,
> >> >> > as we knew it, stopped and we became ... bothers in arms.
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> >> >> > How does that compare with your peacetime garbage pail detail?
>
> >> >> How do you know what it is like to serve in the military in
peacetime
> >> >> any
> >> >> more than I know what it is like to serve in the military during
> >> >> wartime.
> >> >> However, I think I would rather serve a couple of years in wartime
> >> >> than
> >> >> double that in peacetime. Those garbage pails were really filthy!
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> >> > The operative word are peace and war and it is easy to draw
conclusion
> >> > as to which is preferable. I am surprised that you acquire
assistance
> >> > with such an elementary concept.
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> >> The operative word is TIME in service. Most guys in the military
during
> >> times of war never see any action. When you are young a single year
can
> >> seem
> >> like a century.
>
> >> Nonetheless military service during
>
> >> > war but not in the was zone is not so very different than peacetime
> >> > service, so there is little required to know what peacetime service
is
> >> > like.
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> >> I suspect this is not true. I think a different ethos prevails in the
> >> military during times of war, whether you are in the war zone or not.
>
> > And you haven't the experience, acuity or insight required to discern
> > the very distinct difference between WAR-TIME and WAR-ZONE military
> > SERVICE, and I haven't the time or inclination to enlighten you.
>
> Very few military are ever on or near the front lines (war zone). But
the
> entire ethos of being in the military is different in war time than
peace
> time.
The front lines is a concept antiquated by today's modern military
weaponry . No one is safe in a war-zone precisely because of the far
reaches of long distance smart weapons. Consequently ,WAR-TIME and
WAR-ZONE military service is distinctly different. War-time service
stateside is as far different than war-time service in a war-zone.
Having personally experience both during the Vetnam War, I know of
what I speak (write).
> >> The peacetime military, especially the Navy, is well-known for
chicken
> >> shit
> >> inspections, field days, etc. Sometimes it can seem like a permanent
boot
> >> camp that never lets up. Once I got out of the Navy I resolved never
to
> >> clean one god damn fucking thing again in my life. Believe you me, I
have
> >> kept that resolution with a vengeance!
>
> >> Service in a war zone is another matter altogether and filthy
>
> Maybe so, but it is experienced by the few, not the many.
>
> >> > garbage pails do not comprise or constitue the memories most
> >> > haunting. A jerk like you would probably not last a week in Nam.
If
> >> > you ran your mouth like you do here on ARBR, you'd likely get
> >> > fragged ... call it friendly fire.
>
> >> Military service, whether in time of peace or war, is all about
getting
> >> long
> >> with your fellow prisoners. I liken military service to being in
prison.
> >> Trust me on this, 4 years in service is twice as long as 2 years in
> >> service
> >> and feels like forever when you are young. Thank God we have an
> >> all-volunteer well paid professional military now. A conscript
military
> >> is
> >> worthless now that everything is high tech.
>
> >> >> By the way, you have Vietnam confused with the Congo. That was the
> >> >> heart
> >> >> of
> >> >> darkness - and still is. Vietnam was the center of a thousand year
old
> >> >> civilization, strongly influenced by China but still quite
distinct.
>
> >> > Conan the Librarian, that was a figure of speech not to be confused
> >> > with Conrad's book by that title ... Gee your such an idiot. You
said
> >> > it yourself. You prove it with your every post.
>
> >> >> Regards,
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> >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >> >> aka
> >> >> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows -
Minnesota
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