On Apr 17, 2:39 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Apr 15, 9:24 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > On Apr 15, 4:13 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> > On Apr 15, 11:05 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> [...]
> >> >> >> I would never be dumb enough to end up in a war zone, unless it
was
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> caliber of WWII of course.
>
> >> >> > I don't recall the military giving anyone a choice in the
matter.
> >> >> > Predictably you did not extend to me the same courtesy that I
> >> >> > extended
> >> >> > to you. YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION!
>
> >> >> No one chooses to end up in a war zone except those who want to
end up
> >> >> there.
>
> >> > YOU STATED ... I would never be dumb enough to end up in a war.
>
> >> I said war ZONE.
>
> > You DID NOT! You replied, "I would prefer to spend time in service
> > during wartime than in peacetime."
>
> Here is the relevant statement:
>
> >> I would never be dumb enough to end up in a war zone, unless it was
of
> >> the
> >> caliber of WWII of course.
What is relevant here is that your reply did not answer the question
as asked.
> >> > I REPLIED ... I don't recall the military giving anyone a choice
in
>
>
>
> >> > the matter.
>
> >> > YOU REPLIED ... No one chooses to end up in a war zone except those
> >> > who want to end up there.
>
> >> > The point is that not all those who ended up in Vietnam chose to be
> >> > there or wanted to be there and I count myself among them. "Being
> >> > dumb" played no role in the selcwtion process.
>
> >> You were not part of a professional all-volunteer military. If you
had
> >> been,
> >> you would have wanted to be there.
>
> > Yeah right, like no one ever chose to volunteer because it was a
> > choice they made because of the poor economy and lack of employment,
> > etc. (lesser of two evils). Get real. You really are out of touch.
>
> Unlike you, I give adults credit for knowing what they are doing and
what
> they are getting into when they volunteer for military service.
So, you realized that you were volunteering for cleaning filthy
garbage pails and enduring field inspections? If so, why whine about
it? Unlike you, I recognize that adults, thinking that they know what
they are getting themselves into, are sometimes forced into make
choices between unappealing alternatives and, in different set of
cir***stances, they would make altogether different decisions. By
your own admission, you volunteered for the Navy to avoid being
drafted into the Army. Now that I have provided you with a personal
example, perhaps you can now finally relate to what is an elementary
concept.
> >> But even in a draft military, it possible
> >> to arrange things so that it is highly unlikely that you will ever
end up
> >> in
> >> a war zone.
>
> > You know nothing of what you speak, but that has never stopped you
> > before. Where were you when the countless numbers were trying their
> > best to avoid a war-zone. Where were you then? Arrange? Care to
> > explain that? You volunteered for the Navy so as not to be drafted
> > and have a choice of branch of service, just like some volunteered in
> > an attempt to avoid a war-zone during war-time.
>
> All it takes is some minimum of brains. Too bad that lets you out.
A gratuitous insult is no substitute for reason and/or argument. Care
to take another (less diversionary) crack at it? I await your answer.
> >> Even being in Vietnam was not all that dangerous provided you
> >> were not grunt infantry.
>
> > Bull****. Guess you never heard of tunnels beneath United States
> > Vietnam Headquarters, rockets, women sacrificing their own children
> > by attaching live grenade to them an having them approach GIs for a
> > stick of gum, strychnine laced cocaine, sapper attacks in rear element
> > areas, etc. . I could go on, but the fact is that you weren't there
> > and have no basis upon which to formulate an informed decision. There
> > are some places safer than others, but there is no such thing as
> > safety in a war-zone.
>
> See the movie "Apocalypse Now" to know how the majority did their time
in
> Vietnam.
Try to stay focused and up to speed here, will you. This topic is not
about what soldiers did with their time in Vietnam; and, Apocalypse
now did not encapsulate the experience of the majority. Saw the movie
but experienced Vietnam first hand. Your experience is limited to a
single movie and you accept Hollywierd's ****trayal in lieu of
experience and reality do you? Your favorite tactic ... diversion did
not escape my attention and failed again. Rather than address any of
the points raised above, again you vainly attempted to sidetrack me on
a tangent. You addressed nothing that I mentioned to indicate that a
war-zone is dangerous wherever one is and you have also offered
nothing in defense of your preposterous statement that a war-zone is
safe as long as one is not a front-line grunt. Opinion stated as fact
but unsubstantiated is much to do about nothing ... gibberish.
> >> >> That was not true in WWII, but it has been true in all subsequent
> >> >> wars. As long as I was not being shot at, I would prefer to spend
time
> >> >> in
> >> >> service during wartime than in peacetime.
>
> >> > You did not answer the question asked. I asked if you would rather
> >> > spene 4 years in a pecae-time military or 2 years in a war-time
> >> > military ... IN A WAR ZONE. You continue to confuse WAR-TIME and
WAR-
> >> > ZONE. ON doe not have to be shot at to die in a war-zone ...
happens
> >> > all the time.
>
> >> I would choose to be in a war zone because I know it is not very
> >> dangerous
> >> provided you are not going out on patrol engaging the enemy. By the
way
> >> plenty of military personnel die in peacetime due to accidents.
>
> > You haven't a clue. See what I said above.
>
> >> >> Who wants to spend all their days
> >> >> cleaning garbage pails which is what can happen to you in the
military
> >> >> during peacetime.
> >> >> [...]
>
> >> > Apparently they found a job for which you were suitably qualified.
>
> >> It was part of KP at boot camp. but you never got away from the
chicken
> >> ****
> >> inspections and field days. Always cleaning, cleaning, cleaning. ****
the
> >> Navy!
>
> > Boot camp doesn't last 4 years and is not a Navy only experience. KP
> > and Field inspection is not unique to the Navy either. I had KP duty
> > in Vietnam.
>
> The Navy is a very tradition bound service, much more so than any of the
> other services, with the possible exception of the Marines.
Still more diversion. This was about commonly shared experiences in
the military service ... not about military tradition. Constantly
trying to divert the discussion off on another tangent to prolong a
dying thread, are you? You have difficulty staying on track and
staying focused.
> >> >> >> The military does not take the dregs of humanity. Such types
are
> >> >> >> usually
> >> >> >> only to be found in our state prisons.
>
> >> >> > The current military has criminals and gang members in service
... a
> >> >> > well know fact. Are these not dregs? Are ALL dreg in state
> >> >> > prisons?
> >> >> > Don't be ridiculous.
>
> >> >> The military will not take those who have serious criminal
records.
>
> >> > Currently their are waivers for an assortment of crimes for which
one
> >> > would be sreened out if employing a job in the private sector and
gang-
> >> > bangers are commonplace in the military. Gang graffiti can now be
> >> > found all over Iraq.
>
> >> Gang graffiti can be found all over Worthington and most other places
in
> >> America. But it is not murder, only an eyesore.
>
> > Attempted diversion duly noted. The point is that it graffiti wasn't
> > found in the conscripted military, because the conscripted military
> > was not comprised of gang-bangers like your beloved professional
> > volunteer military.
>
> The culture has changed in the intervening years. Society overall is
more
> rotten now than it ever was before.
> [...]
That is a given, but the military was once more selective and held
itself to higher standards than your beloved volunteer professional
military of today.
> >> But those in prison are there for serious offences. You really have
to
> >> ****
> >> up big time in order to earn a prison sentence in our society today.
>
> > How are those mistakenly imprisoned guilty of anything? According to
> > your way of thinking, If were to murder you, but never was caught and
> > imprisoned, my offense would not be a serious one. Glad you set me
> > straight on that.
>
> You would be caught right away because this correspondnece is being
> preserved for all eternity by Google. I have also given your name to the
> local police. You would not enjoy our state prisons. Someone like Ed Gin
> would end up having you for his *****.
With the many things you've said on newsgroups, you have much to be
concerned about in the Google archives. I have no fear of the
police. The only crime I've committed here is wasting time on you.
Now that's a crime! I can only imagaine how your re****t to the police
went down ... one officer talking to another. Oh ****, here comes
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows. Look just
humor the old bastard. Take his re****t and then when he's gone just
**** can it. We are running out space in our file cabinets becasue of
him. Well, I'm out of here. Time for my coffeee break and it could't
have come at a better time. He's all yours.
Since you failed to answer, again (a bad habit of yours) I will ask
once more ... How are those mistakenly imprisoned guilty of anything?
No matter what kind of a twist you put on it, you are deliberately
avoiding my statement too, so allow me to remove myself from the
equation and rephrase ... According to your way of thinking, if
someone were to murder you, but was never caught and imprisoned, their
my offense would not be a serious one because our prisons only house
serious criminals. Glad you set me straight on that.
> >> >> Many of them should be executed rather than warehoused as it
> >> >> would be cheaper for society to do that provided appeals are kept
to
> >> >> the
> >> >> bare minimum.
>
> >> > That is an irrelevant, diversionary, tangential topic. I'll not go
> >> > there. You do have problems focusing on the topic at hand? Do you
> >> > have attention deficit disorder?
>
> >> Narrow discussions don't interest me,
They should since you are narrow-minded.
> >> especially when all that is going
> >> on
> >> is your stalking behavior. The entire newsgroup is sick to death of
you
> >> ever
> >> since the days of Ed Gin.
>
> > TRANSLATION: I don't much like it when I feel trapped by irrefutable
> > logic. I makes me look bad (read not so great and not as intelligent
> > or as superior as I claim to be).
>
> Translation: I do not like pathetic stalkers who are given to ***ual
> innuendo. Why not run this post past your wife and see what she thinks
of
> it - and you?
> [...]
Run short of ammunition? Your lame, copy and paste, regurgitated
boilerplate translation of my translation would indicate poor reading
comprehension skills and a need for a refresher.
> ****ing Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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