Re: Mt. Lion attacks hiker

On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:10:36 GMT, rhopkins@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

>
>On 17-Jul-2008, Mike Vandeman <mjvande@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>> >
>> >I said:
>> >
>> >> >Again I ask, please explain how my expertise with cougars would
lead
>> >> >to
>> >> >authorities responding to a hiker claiming he was attack (it is now
>> >> >under
>> >> >suspicion - as the hiker was trespassing and may well have made it
up)
>> >> >and
>> >> >the author ties made a decision to seek out the cougar and kill it.
>> >>
>> >
>> >You replied:
>> >
>> >> I have never heard any biologist ask that a cougar NOT be killed.
>> >
>> >If you have not then you show your ignorance, stupidity and naivety on
>> >the
>> >subject. You continue to make comments on matters you haven't the
>> >foggiest
>> >idea about and clearly lack any understanding of the politics of large
>> >predators or what has transpired over the last 40 years regarding
>> >cougars. I
>> >direct you to two simply examples (out of hundreds): 1) the first
>> >moratorium
>> >on s****t-hunting of cougars in California back in 1972 where Starker
>> >Leopold
>> >spoke eloquently to the state legislature in favor of the moratorium
(and
>> >he
>> >spoke in favor of it again when it came back for a vote some years
later
>> >-
>> >the last op****tunity he had before he died) and 2) I suggest you
review
>> >some
>> >of the fiasco that occurred in reference to Sabino Canyon outside of
>> >Tucson
>> >a few years back where Arizona Game and Fish was pummeled by an
engaged
>> >public and several biologist (I being one) over their reaction to
cougars
>> >occurring in Sabino Canyon (where they belonged).   The list of such
>> >examples goes on and on.  If this was the first time I responded to
your
>> >ignorance, I would have concluded you shot from the hip and were
simply
>> >ill-informed.  But after observing the multitude of your inane post
over
>> >the
>> >years I can only conclude you are either a horses-ass or completely
>> >disingenuous (but most likely both).   But maybe more simply put you
are
>> >simply a LIAR.
>>
>> Not really. Where do you see a lie? This should be good!
>
>Rather poor effort to avoid the fact that your ordinal claim that Nice
try
>avoiding the claim by you "I have never heard any biologist ask that a
>cougar NOT be killed."
>
>Now it may be true you are so ignorant of the facts as you most often are
or
>you lied, which is it.

So when you called me a liar, you were LYING. You are dishonest to the
core, as are ALL mountain bikers I have ever met.

  If you had truly were unaware of something that is
>actually quite common as you noted  "I have never heard any biologist ask
>that a cougar NOT be killed" then you are ignorant and ill-informed, On
the
>other hand if you were aware that biologist frequently make the case to
NOT
>kill cougars than you lied.  Are you Ignorant or simply a liar - which is
>it, your choice.
>
>Rick
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