Re: Modern Marvels

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Edward Dolan wrote:
>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> Wilson wrote:
>>>> "Victor Kan" <victor.kan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> On Apr 17, 8:16 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> The starting wage for a civil engineer with a graduate degree is a
>>>>>> larger US city is about $40/year, or less than a third of what a 
>>>>>> doctor
>>>>>> or lawyer would make.
>>
>> Jeez, only $40. a year? I will pay you more than that to clean up after

>> my cats.
>>
>>>>> http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm
>>>>>
>>>>> Kinda bizarre though--according to this page, Civil Engineers with a
>>>>> Bachelors have a higher average starting salary than those with a
>>>>> Masters degree.  Wow, Petroleum engineers too!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I don't know, but if I had to venture a guess I'd say civil engineers

>>>> who have hung around in college to get masters degrees and other 
>>>> advanced degrees probably don't have the reputation of being the "can

>>>> do" types entering in the field.
>>> Actually, there is a shortage of civil engineers with graduate
degrees. 
>>> However, the shortage results in more work for the same pay, not
higher 
>>> wages. The level playing field imagined by the libertarian free market

>>> advocates only exists in theory; in the real world the system is
always 
>>> gamed to someones [someone's] advantage.
>>
>> Mr. Sherman is well paid for what he does. Where did the idea ever come

>> from that engineers need to make as much as businessmen. After all,
they 
>> are just hired hands.
>>
> And how do the businesspersons [politically correct, but awkward] 
> contribute more to the overall benefit of society?

Because they are entrepreneurs who make work (create jobs) for others who 
are not so endowed. I am not an entrepreneur myself as you may have
guessed, 
but that is the way our economy functions. It has ever proven itself to be

the best way. The reason communism did not work is because it went against

human nature. Even the kind of socialisms that exist today in the world 
ultimately depend on entrepreneurs financed with private capital. It is
the 
only way to get humans to hustle. Otherwise, we would all sit on our dead 
***** like I have been doing for most of my life.

Regards,

Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
aka
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota