Re: Modern Marvels

Edward Dolan wrote:
> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> Wilson wrote:
>>>>> "Victor Kan" <victor.kan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>
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>>>>>> On Apr 17, 8:16 pm, Tom Sherman <sunsetss0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> The starting wage for a civil engineer with a graduate degree is a
>>>>>>> larger US city is about $40/year, or less than a third of what a 
>>>>>>> doctor
>>>>>>> or lawyer would make.
>>> Jeez, only $40. a year? I will pay you more than that to clean up
after 
>>> my cats.
>>>
>>>>>> http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Kinda bizarre though--according to this page, Civil Engineers with
a
>>>>>> Bachelors have a higher average starting salary than those with a
>>>>>> Masters degree.  Wow, Petroleum engineers too!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know, but if I had to venture a guess I'd say civil
engineers 
>>>>> who have hung around in college to get masters degrees and other 
>>>>> advanced degrees probably don't have the reputation of being the
"can 
>>>>> do" types entering in the field.
>>>> Actually, there is a shortage of civil engineers with graduate
degrees. 
>>>> However, the shortage results in more work for the same pay, not
higher 
>>>> wages. The level playing field imagined by the libertarian free
market 
>>>> advocates only exists in theory; in the real world the system is
always 
>>>> gamed to someones [someone's] advantage.
>>> Mr. Sherman is well paid for what he does. Where did the idea ever
come 
>>> from that engineers need to make as much as businessmen. After all,
they 
>>> are just hired hands.
>>>
>> And how do the businesspersons [politically correct, but awkward] 
>> contribute more to the overall benefit of society?
> 
> Because they are entrepreneurs who make work (create jobs) for others
who 
> are not so endowed. I am not an entrepreneur myself as you may have
guessed, 
> but that is the way our economy functions. It has ever proven itself to
be 
> the best way. The reason communism did not work is because it went
against 
> human nature. Even the kind of socialisms that exist today in the world 
> ultimately depend on entrepreneurs financed with private capital. It is
the 
> only way to get humans to hustle. Otherwise, we would all sit on our
dead 
> ***** like I have been doing for most of my life.
> 
Mr. Ed Dolan provides the real answer. People need to forced to work to 
survive. ALL people, that is.

-- 
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
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