Re: Modern Marvels

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Wilson wrote:
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>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> Wilson wrote:
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>>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>> Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Victor Kan" <victor.kan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 8:16 pm, Tom Sherman
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>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The starting wage for a civil engineer with a graduate degree
is 
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> larger US city is about $40/year, or less than a third of what
a 
>>>>>>>>>> doctor
>>>>>>>>>> or lawyer would make.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeez, only $40. a year? I will pay you more than that to clean up 
>>>>>> after my cats.
>>>>
>>>> Ha!  Ed Dolan does a Tom Sherman on Tom Sherman.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kinda bizarre though--according to this page, Civil Engineers
with 
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> Bachelors have a higher average starting salary than those with
a
>>>>>>>>> Masters degree.  Wow, Petroleum engineers too!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't know, but if I had to venture a guess I'd say civil 
>>>>>>>> engineers who have hung around in college to get masters degrees 
>>>>>>>> and other advanced degrees probably don't have the reputation of 
>>>>>>>> being the "can do" types entering in the field.
>>>>>>> Actually, there is a shortage of civil engineers with graduate 
>>>>>>> degrees. However, the shortage results in more work for the same 
>>>>>>> pay, not higher wages. The level playing field imagined by the 
>>>>>>> libertarian free market advocates only exists in theory; in the
real 
>>>>>>> world the system is always gamed to someones [someone's]
advantage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mr. Sherman is well paid for what he does. Where did the idea ever 
>>>>>> come from that engineers need to make as much as businessmen. After

>>>>>> all, they are just hired hands.
>>>>>>
>>>>> And how do the businesspersons contribute more to the overall
benefit 
>>>>> of society?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I know. I know.  Businesspersons contribute more to the overall
benefit 
>>>> of society by providing goods and services that people want and need
at 
>>>> prices they can afford.  Like say food, shelter, medical services,
and 
>>>> re***bent bikes (on topic ****tion of this post).
>>>
>>> These thing could be provided without vast cor****ations that do
nothing 
>>> by buy and sell other cor****ation, investment banks, etc. 90% of the 
>>> structure does not benefit society as a whole, but just a small 
>>> fragment. This is not the free market at work, but the opposite.
>>
>> I wasn't aware that 90% of the USA market structure was vast
cor****ations 
>> buying and selling pieces of cor****ate paper to each other.  Where do 
>> they get the money that they use in these transactions?
>
> The money is skimmed off of the backs of labor that actually creates the

> added value in goods and services.
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Sorry, but none of this sounds plausible to me.