Re: Modern Marvels

Wilson wrote:
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> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Wilson wrote:
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>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>> Wilson wrote:
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>>>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>> Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Victor Kan" <victor.kan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 8:16 pm, Tom Sherman 
>>>>>>>>>> <sunsetss0...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The starting wage for a civil engineer with a graduate degree 
>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>> larger US city is about $40/year, or less than a third of 
>>>>>>>>>>> what a doctor
>>>>>>>>>>> or lawyer would make.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Jeez, only $40. a year? I will pay you more than that to clean up 
>>>>>>> after my cats.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ha!  Ed Dolan does a Tom Sherman on Tom Sherman.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kinda bizarre though--according to this page, Civil Engineers 
>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>> Bachelors have a higher average starting salary than those with
a
>>>>>>>>>> Masters degree.  Wow, Petroleum engineers too!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't know, but if I had to venture a guess I'd say civil 
>>>>>>>>> engineers who have hung around in college to get masters 
>>>>>>>>> degrees and other advanced degrees probably don't have the 
>>>>>>>>> reputation of being the "can do" types entering in the field.
>>>>>>>> Actually, there is a shortage of civil engineers with graduate 
>>>>>>>> degrees. However, the shortage results in more work for the same 
>>>>>>>> pay, not higher wages. The level playing field imagined by the 
>>>>>>>> libertarian free market advocates only exists in theory; in the 
>>>>>>>> real world the system is always gamed to someones [someone's] 
>>>>>>>> advantage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mr. Sherman is well paid for what he does. Where did the idea 
>>>>>>> ever come from that engineers need to make as much as 
>>>>>>> businessmen. After all, they are just hired hands.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And how do the businesspersons contribute more to the overall 
>>>>>> benefit of society?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I know. I know.  Businesspersons contribute more to the overall 
>>>>> benefit of society by providing goods and services that people want 
>>>>> and need at prices they can afford.  Like say food, shelter, 
>>>>> medical services, and re***bent bikes (on topic ****tion of this
post).
>>>>
>>>> These thing could be provided without vast cor****ations that do 
>>>> nothing by buy and sell other cor****ation, investment banks, etc. 
>>>> 90% of the structure does not benefit society as a whole, but just a 
>>>> small fragment. This is not the free market at work, but the
opposite.
>>>
>>> I wasn't aware that 90% of the USA market structure was vast 
>>> cor****ations buying and selling pieces of cor****ate paper to each 
>>> other.  Where do they get the money that they use in these
transactions?
>>
>> The money is skimmed off of the backs of labor that actually creates 
>> the added value in goods and services.
> 
> Sorry, but none of this sounds plausible to me.

So the people making hundreds of millions or billions in financial 
markets and services are really personally providing a similar benefit 
to society? Hardly sounds plausible to me.

-- 
Tom Sherman - Holstein-Friesland Bovinia
The weather is here, wish you were beautiful