Re: Modern Marvels

"Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Wilson wrote:
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>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> Wilson wrote:
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>>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> Wilson wrote:
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>>>>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>> Edward Dolan wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Tom Sherman" <sunsetss0003@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>>> "Victor Kan" <victor.kan@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 17, 8:16 pm, Tom Sherman 
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>>>>>>>>>>>> The starting wage for a civil engineer with a graduate degree

>>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>>> larger US city is about $40/year, or less than a third of
what 
>>>>>>>>>>>> a doctor
>>>>>>>>>>>> or lawyer would make.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeez, only $40. a year? I will pay you more than that to clean up

>>>>>>>> after my cats.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ha!  Ed Dolan does a Tom Sherman on Tom Sherman.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm
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>>>>>>>>>>> Kinda bizarre though--according to this page, Civil Engineers 
>>>>>>>>>>> with a
>>>>>>>>>>> Bachelors have a higher average starting salary than those
with 
>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>> Masters degree.  Wow, Petroleum engineers too!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know, but if I had to venture a guess I'd say civil 
>>>>>>>>>> engineers who have hung around in college to get masters
degrees 
>>>>>>>>>> and other advanced degrees probably don't have the reputation
of 
>>>>>>>>>> being the "can do" types entering in the field.
>>>>>>>>> Actually, there is a shortage of civil engineers with graduate 
>>>>>>>>> degrees. However, the shortage results in more work for the same

>>>>>>>>> pay, not higher wages. The level playing field imagined by the 
>>>>>>>>> libertarian free market advocates only exists in theory; in the 
>>>>>>>>> real world the system is always gamed to someones [someone's] 
>>>>>>>>> advantage.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mr. Sherman is well paid for what he does. Where did the idea
ever 
>>>>>>>> come from that engineers need to make as much as businessmen.
After 
>>>>>>>> all, they are just hired hands.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And how do the businesspersons contribute more to the overall 
>>>>>>> benefit of society?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know. I know.  Businesspersons contribute more to the overall 
>>>>>> benefit of society by providing goods and services that people want

>>>>>> and need at prices they can afford.  Like say food, shelter,
medical 
>>>>>> services, and re***bent bikes (on topic ****tion of this post).
>>>>>
>>>>> These thing could be provided without vast cor****ations that do 
>>>>> nothing by buy and sell other cor****ation, investment banks, etc.
90% 
>>>>> of the structure does not benefit society as a whole, but just a
small 
>>>>> fragment. This is not the free market at work, but the opposite.
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't aware that 90% of the USA market structure was vast 
>>>> cor****ations buying and selling pieces of cor****ate paper to each 
>>>> other.  Where do they get the money that they use in these 
>>>> transactions?
>>>
>>> The money is skimmed off of the backs of labor that actually creates
the 
>>> added value in goods and services.
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>> Sorry, but none of this sounds plausible to me.
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> So the people making hundreds of millions or billions in financial
markets 
> and services are really personally providing a similar benefit to
society? 
> Hardly sounds plausible to me.
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We're back those people you say make up 90% of the USA market by selling 
pieces of paper to each other using the millions of billions of dollars
that 
you claim they skimmed off the backs of workers.