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Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road

by tenspeed <tenspeed@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 17, 2008 at 08:54 AM

On May 17, 1:07=A0pm, "PeteSig" <pete...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
<SNIP>
> Jaaysus!!!
>
> Would it be too much to expect that our TERTIARY qualified TRANS****T
> PLANNERS might have the gumption to do a bit of a search of overseas
> experiences, before istalling patently unsafe traffic devices.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Segregated_cycle_facilities
>
> "For urban roads, with many junctions, accident analysis suggests the
> opposite, that segregated cycling facilities are likely to produce a net
> increase in the number of collisions. These conclusions are sup****ted by
t=
he
> experience of countries that have implemented segregated cycling
facilitie=
s.
> In the U.S.[34], UK[35], Germany, Sweden[36], Denmark[37], Canada [38]
and=

> Finland[39], it has been found that cycling on roadside urban cycle
> tracks/sidepaths results in significant, up to 12 fold, increases in the
> rate of car/bicycle collisions. At a 1990 European conference on
cycling,
> the term Russian roulette was openly used to describe the use of
roadside
> cycle paths.[40]"
>
> "In Helsinki, research has shown that cyclists are safer cycling on the
> roads mixed in with the traffic than they are using that city's 800 km
of
> cycle paths [41]. The Berlin police and Senate conducted studies which
led=

> to a similar conclusion in the 1980s [42]. In Berlin 10% of the roads
have=

> cycle paths but these produce 75% of fatalities and serious injuries
among=

> cyclists [43]. In the UK town of Milton Keynes it has been shown that
> cyclists using the "off-road" Milton Keynes redway system have, on a per
> journey basis, a significantly higher rate of fatal car-bicycle
collisions=

> than cyclists who simply cycle on the ordinary unsegregated roads[35].
Cyc=
le
> lanes / bike lanes are less dangerous than cycle paths in urban
situations=

> but even well-implemented examples have still been associated with 10%
> increases in casualty rates."
>
> Helsinki has many kms of two-way cycle lanes, and for 'wrong way'
cyclists=

> they are 10 times more dangerous than cycling on the road.


Just tried the "Sidepath Suitability Score" after following up the
Wiki stuff (thanks Pete):

http://www.bikelib.org/roads/blos/sidepathinfo.htm

Used a Gregory's to count the intersections on the west side of Bourke
St. Doesn't show the driveways so made a few guesses.

Score was between 17 and 31 depending on the  guesses.

Guidelines say over 10 =3D silly idea.

And thats for a one-way path (Council plan is for a two-way one).

This is not looking good,

Anyone know why BicycleNSW are sup****ting it in their newsletter?
 




 26 Posts in Topic:
Bourke Street Bicycle Road
tenspeed <tenspeed@[EM  2008-05-11 03:20:26 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
Zebee Johnstone <zebee  2008-05-11 11:40:35 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
"PeteSig" <p  2008-05-17 03:07:01 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
tenspeed <tenspeed@[EM  2008-05-11 05:33:37 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
Joel Mayes <joel@[EMAI  2008-05-12 07:53:11 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
Zebee Johnstone <zebee  2008-05-12 08:41:15 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
Zebee Johnstone <zebee  2008-05-12 08:54:59 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
tenspeed <tenspeed@[EM  2008-05-12 02:57:09 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
20cents <noreply@[EMAI  2008-05-15 02:59:52 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
dixie.dean@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-12 04:45:24 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
"fractal" <n  2008-05-13 04:12:42 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
tenspeed <tenspeed@[EM  2008-05-13 01:23:29 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
Zebee Johnstone <zebee  2008-05-13 08:51:14 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
terryc <newssixspam-sp  2008-05-13 19:13:15 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
"Fractal" <f  2008-05-14 11:49:47 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
tenspeed <tenspeed@[EM  2008-05-14 09:34:58 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
tenspeed <tenspeed@[EM  2008-05-17 08:54:00 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
Adrian Tritschler <ajf  2008-05-17 22:42:25 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
"Tomasso" <T  2008-05-18 09:01:13 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
Duncan <duncanmcrae@[E  2008-05-19 19:35:02 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
tenspeed <tenspeed@[EM  2008-05-20 03:24:27 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
Travis <travismorien@[  2008-05-25 08:01:24 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
terryc <newssixspam-sp  2008-05-26 12:01:08 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
Travis <travismorien@[  2008-05-25 08:12:53 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
slowlyuphill@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-05-27 16:53:36 
Re: Bourke Street Bicycle Road
slowlyuphill@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-06-10 16:29:27 

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