On Apr 14, 7:44 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Apr 12, 11:12 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > On Apr 11, 7:50 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> > On Apr 10, 11:04 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >> > The insensitive misanthrope Dolan knows nothing of the
sacrifice,
> >> >> >> > pain
> >> >> >> > and suffering that will haunt others for the rest of their
lives.
> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> > presume his time in the Navy was a none too traumatic
peacetime
> >> >> >> > stint.
>
> >> >> >> The Great Ed Dolan is the Greatest Hero known to him. Believe
you
> >> >> >> me,
> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> no easy thing to survive 4 years in the Navy during peacetime.
The
> >> >> >> amount
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> shit you have to put up with staggers the mind. Once I even had
to
> >> >> >> clean
> >> >> >> garbage pails!
>
> >> >> > Hero is one of the most misused words in any language and Conan
the
> >> >> > Librarian perpetuates its abuse here undermining and cheapening
the
> >> >> > term properly reserved for what a hero is by definition.
>
> >> >> > Psychologists or sociologists may explain some day what it is
about
> >> >> > that distant land of green mountains and fields merging with
azure
> >> >> > sea, that for millennia has acted as a magnet for foreigners who
> >> >> > sought glory there and found frustration, who believed that in
its
> >> >> > rice fields and jungles some principle was to be established and
> >> >> > entered only to recede in delusion. When we entered Vietnam, we
> >> >> > became suddenly aware that we were entering into the heart of
> >> >> > darkness
> >> >> > and the edge of civilization, but we entered. Our country was
> >> >> > beckoning. Illusion and reality blended into the landscape, and
> >> >> > time,
> >> >> > as we knew it, stopped and we became ... bothers in arms.
>
> >> >> > How does that compare with your peacetime garbage pail detail?
>
> >> >> How do you know what it is like to serve in the military in
peacetime
> >> >> any
> >> >> more than I know what it is like to serve in the military during
> >> >> wartime.
> >> >> However, I think I would rather serve a couple of years in wartime
> >> >> than
> >> >> double that in peacetime. Those garbage pails were really filthy!
>
> >> > The operative words are peace and war and it is easy to draw
conclusion
> >> > as to which is preferable. I am surprised that you acquire
assistance
> >> > with such an elementary concept.
>
> >> The operative word is TIME in service. Most guys in the military
during
> >> times of war never see any action. When you are young a single year
can
> >> seem
> >> like a century.
>
> > You always were one to favor form over function and quantity over
> > quality in your many exchanges. No matter how you slice it ... the
> > operative word is actually SERVICE. TIME is an irrelevant expletive
[?]
> > whereas PEACE and WAR are diametrically opposed indicators that
> > differentiate vastly different types of service and the experiences
> > inherent to both.
>
> You are talking about peace and war, I am talking about time in service.
I
> would rather serve two years in service in time of war than 4 years in
> service in time of peace. What is there about that you do not
understand?
This all started with you pitchin' a bitch over Harry 's POW/MIA flag
which reflects war-time and not peace-time military activity, so who
deviated from the topic focus? You are so incredibly dense. In
answer to your question, I would rather serve 2 years in the military
than 4 in peace-time, but the more pertinent question is would you
rather spend 4 years in the military during peace-time or two year
during war-time AND in a war-zone? I answered your question and
expect you to extend me the same courtesy.
> >> > Nonetheless military service during
> >> > war but not in the war zone is not so very different than peacetime
> >> > service, so there is little required to know what peacetime service
is
> >> > like.
>
> >> I suspect this is not true. I think a different ethos prevails in the
> >> military during times of war, whether you are in the war zone or not.
The
> >> peacetime military, especially the Navy, is well-known for chicken
shit
> >> inspections, field days, etc. Sometimes it can seem like a permanent
boot
> >> camp that never lets up. Once I got out of the Navy I resolved never
to
> >> clean one god damn fucking thing again in my life. Believe you me, I
have
> >> kept that resolution with a vengeance!
>
> >> > Service in a war zone is another matter altogether and filthy
> >> > garbage pails do not comprise or constitute the memories most
> >> > haunting. A jerk like you would probably not last a week in Nam.
If
> >> > you ran your mouth like you do here on ARBR, you'd likely get
> >> > fragged ... call it friendly fire.
>
> >> Military service, whether in time of peace or war, is all about
getting
> >> long
> >> with your fellow prisoners.
Getting LONG?
> > As with everything else, you have a twisted and jaded perspective.
> > There is rar more to military service that getting on with those
> > around you but in time of war those around you could very well be
> > prisoners in an enemy prison.
>
> >> I liken military service to being in prison.
> >> Trust me on this, 4 years in service is twice as long as 2 years in
> >> service
> >> and feels like forever when you are young. Thank God we have an
> >> all-volunteer well paid professional military now. A conscript
military
> >> is
> >> worthless now that everything is high tech.
>
> > As usual, you once again parade you ignorance. The conscripted
> > military ensured a cross section and had higher standards in place for
> > entrance. Todays military is far different with lowered standards,
> > more members with criminal records even gang members and these are
> > the people who are being trained in high-tech an modern military
> > tactics and then returned back into society now better trained to pick
> > up where they left off. Now that's a real improvement. You are such
> > an uninformed dunce.
>
> You have got everything backwards. The conscript military was worthless
and
> always has been. Half the guys there do not want to be there and do a
piss
> poor job of everything. The present professional military is made up of
> warriors who want to be there. Thank God this country still produces
such
> types. Nixon was a genius for getting rid of the draft and replacing it
with
> an all- volunteer military.
Conscription has its drawback as you have pointed out, however so does
the volunteer military, especially during poor economic times and
higher rate of unemployment when the dregs of humanity are seeking
employment of any kind. Many of these fall into the category of those
who would otherwise not want to be in the military and have the
inclination to perform accordingly . What do you no understand about
that? What makes volunteer versus conscripted candidate, trained in
the same fashion, any more professional. Not all in the military are
"warriors" and today's military is comprised of more criminals, gang
members, etc. in a military of reduced standards due to the
requirements for ... a few more "good" men". I've got this all
backwards? You're not even thinking straight! The bottom line is that
neither system is perfect and both have an inherent downside. I
recognize this. You don't!
>
> >> >> By the way, you have Vietnam confused with the Congo. That was the
> >> >> heart
> >> >> of
> >> >> darkness - and still is. Vietnam was the center of a thousand year
old
> >> >> civilization, strongly influenced by China but still quite
distinct.
>
> >> > Conan the Librarian, that was a figure of speech not to be confused
> >> > with Conrad's book by that title ... Gee your such an idiot. You
said
> >> > it yourself. You prove it with your every post.
>
> >> >> Regards,
>
> >> >> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> >> >> aka
> >> >> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows -
Minnesota
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