On Apr 15, 11:05 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Apr 14, 7:44 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > On Apr 12, 11:12 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> > On Apr 11, 7:50 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >> > On Apr 10, 11:04 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> >>
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> >> >> >> >> [...]
>
> >> >> >> >> > The insensitive misanthrope Dolan knows nothing of the
> >> >> >> >> > sacrifice,
> >> >> >> >> > pain
> >> >> >> >> > and suffering that will haunt others for the rest of their
> >> >> >> >> > lives.
> >> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> >> > presume his time in the Navy was a none too traumatic
> >> >> >> >> > peacetime
> >> >> >> >> > stint.
>
> >> >> >> >> The Great Ed Dolan is the Greatest Hero known to him.
Believe
> >> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> >> me,
> >> >> >> >> it
> >> >> >> >> is
> >> >> >> >> no easy thing to survive 4 years in the Navy during
peacetime.
> >> >> >> >> The
> >> >> >> >> amount
> >> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> >> **** you have to put up with staggers the mind. Once I even
had
> >> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> >> clean
> >> >> >> >> garbage pails!
>
> >> >> >> > Hero is one of the most misused words in any language and
Conan
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > Librarian perpetuates its abuse here undermining and
cheapening
> >> >> >> > the
> >> >> >> > term properly reserved for what a hero is by definition.
>
> >> >> >> > Psychologists or sociologists may explain some day what it is
> >> >> >> > about
> >> >> >> > that distant land of green mountains and fields merging with
> >> >> >> > azure
> >> >> >> > sea, that for millennia has acted as a magnet for foreigners
who
> >> >> >> > sought glory there and found frustration, who believed that
in
> >> >> >> > its
> >> >> >> > rice fields and jungles some principle was to be established
and
> >> >> >> > entered only to recede in delusion. When we entered Vietnam,
we
> >> >> >> > became suddenly aware that we were entering into the heart of
> >> >> >> > darkness
> >> >> >> > and the edge of civilization, but we entered. Our country
was
> >> >> >> > beckoning. Illusion and reality blended into the landscape,
and
> >> >> >> > time,
> >> >> >> > as we knew it, stopped and we became ... bothers in arms.
>
> >> >> >> > How does that compare with your peacetime garbage pail
detail?
>
> >> >> >> How do you know what it is like to serve in the military in
> >> >> >> peacetime
> >> >> >> any
> >> >> >> more than I know what it is like to serve in the military
during
> >> >> >> wartime.
> >> >> >> However, I think I would rather serve a couple of years in
wartime
> >> >> >> than
> >> >> >> double that in peacetime. Those garbage pails were really
filthy!
>
> >> >> > The operative words are peace and war and it is easy to draw
> >> >> > conclusion
> >> >> > as to which is preferable. I am surprised that you acquire
> >> >> > assistance
> >> >> > with such an elementary concept.
>
> >> >> The operative word is TIME in service. Most guys in the military
> >> >> during
> >> >> times of war never see any action. When you are young a single
year
> >> >> can
> >> >> seem
> >> >> like a century.
>
> >> > You always were one to favor form over function and quantity over
> >> > quality in your many exchanges. No matter how you slice it ... the
> >> > operative word is actually SERVICE. TIME is an irrelevant
expletive
> >> > [?]
> >> > whereas PEACE and WAR are diametrically opposed indicators that
> >> > differentiate vastly different types of service and the experiences
> >> > inherent to both.
>
> >> You are talking about peace and war, I am talking about time in
service.
> >> I
> >> would rather serve two years in service in time of war than 4 years
in
> >> service in time of peace. What is there about that you do not
understand?
>
> > This all started with you pitchin' a ***** over Harry 's POW/MIA flag
> > which reflects war-time and not peace-time military activity, so who
> > deviated from the topic focus?
>
> That was a separate subject. Try to keep up to speed.
>
> You are so incredibly dense. In
>
> > answer to your question, I would rather serve 2 years in the military
> > than 4 in peace-time, but the more pertinent question is would you
> > rather spend 4 years in the military during peace-time or two year
> > during war-time AND in a war-zone? I answered your question and
> > expect you to extend me the same courtesy.
>
> I would never be dumb enough to end up in a war zone, unless it was of
the
> caliber of WWII of course.
>
>
>
> >> >> > Nonetheless military service during
> >> >> > war but not in the war zone is not so very different than
peacetime
> >> >> > service, so there is little required to know what peacetime
service
> >> >> > is
> >> >> > like.
>
> >> >> I suspect this is not true. I think a different ethos prevails in
the
> >> >> military during times of war, whether you are in the war zone or
not.
> >> >> The
> >> >> peacetime military, especially the Navy, is well-known for chicken
> >> >> ****
> >> >> inspections, field days, etc. Sometimes it can seem like a
permanent
> >> >> boot
> >> >> camp that never lets up. Once I got out of the Navy I resolved
never
> >> >> to
> >> >> clean one god damn ****ing thing again in my life. Believe you me,
I
> >> >> have
> >> >> kept that resolution with a vengeance!
>
> >> >> > Service in a war zone is another matter altogether and filthy
> >> >> > garbage pails do not comprise or constitute the memories most
> >> >> > haunting. A jerk like you would probably not last a week in
Nam.
> >> >> > If
> >> >> > you ran your mouth like you do here on ARBR, you'd likely get
> >> >> > fragged ... call it friendly fire.
>
> >> >> Military service, whether in time of peace or war, is all about
> >> >> getting
> >> >> long
> >> >> with your fellow prisoners.
>
> > Getting LONG?
>
> Getting along of course.
YOU SHOULD BE GRATEFUL TO ME FOR HAVING BEEN COURTEOUS ENOUGH TO
EXTEND THE OP****TUNITY FOR YOU TO GRACEFULLY RECOVER FROM WHAT APPEARS
TO HAVE BEEN A FREUDIAN SLIP (READ... UNINTENTIONAL, SELF-INFLICTED
***UAL INNUENDO)
> >> > As with everything else, you have a twisted and jaded perspective.
> >> > There is rar more to military service that getting on with those
> >> > around you but in time of war those around you could very well be
> >> > prisoners in an enemy prison.
>
> >> >> I liken military service to being in prison.
> >> >> Trust me on this, 4 years in service is twice as long as 2 years
in
> >> >> service
> >> >> and feels like forever when you are young. Thank God we have an
> >> >> all-volunteer well paid professional military now. A conscript
> >> >> military
> >> >> is
> >> >> worthless now that everything is high tech.
>
> >> > As usual, you once again parade you ignorance. The conscripted
> >> > military ensured a cross section and had higher standards in place
for
> >> > entrance. Todays military is far different with lowered standards,
> >> > more members with criminal records even gang members and these are
> >> > the people who are being trained in high-tech an modern military
> >> > tactics and then returned back into society now better trained to
pick
> >> > up where they left off. Now that's a real improvement. You are
such
> >> > an uninformed dunce.
>
> >> You have got everything backwards. The conscript military was
worthless
> >> and
> >> always has been. Half the guys there do not want to be there and do a
> >> piss
> >> poor job of everything. The present professional military is made up
of
> >> warriors who want to be there. Thank God this country still produces
such
> >> types. Nixon was a genius for getting rid of the draft and replacing
it
> >> with
> >> an all- volunteer military.
>
> > Conscription has its drawback as you have pointed out, however so does
> > the volunteer military, especially during poor economic times and
> > higher rate of unemployment when the dregs of humanity are seeking
> > employment of any kind.
>
> The military does not take the dregs of humanity. Such types are usually
> only to be found in our state prisons.
>
> Many of these fall into the category of those
>
> > who would otherwise not want to be in the military and have the
> > inclination to perform accordingly . What do you no understand about
> > that? What makes volunteer versus conscripted candidate, trained in
> > the same fa****on, any more professional.
>
> Because they WANT to be there.
>
> Not all in the military are
>
> > "warriors" and today's military is comprised of more criminals, gang
> > members, etc. in a military of reduced standards due to the
> > requirements for ... a few more "good" men". I've got this all
> > backwards? You're not even thinking straight! The bottom line is that
> > neither system is perfect and both have an inherent downside. I
> > recognize this. You don't!
>
> Professional military warriors have always been far superior to
conscripts.
> There is just no comparison at all. We are going back to the standards
of
> warfare that prevailed in the enlightened 18th century before Napoleon
> ruined it with his conscripted armies, a legacy of the French
Revolution.
>
> I have read studies which show that very many soldiers during WWII would
> never even fire their weapons in battle. It takes a true warrior to kill
and
> to want to kill. We do not value these types enough. After all, there is
a
> time for peace and a time for war, and when it is time for war, we want
the
> best killer-warriors that we can get.
> [...]
>
> Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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