On Apr 17, 2:39 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On Apr 15, 9:24 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > On Apr 15, 4:13 pm, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> "JimmyMac" <jimmyma...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> > On Apr 15, 11:05 am, "Edward Dolan" <edo...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >> [...]
> >> >> >> I would never be dumb enough to end up in a war zone, unless it
was
> >> >> >> of
> >> >> >> the
> >> >> >> caliber of WWII of course.
>
> >> >> > I don't recall the military giving anyone a choice in the
matter.
> >> >> > Predictably you did not extend to me the same courtesy that I
> >> >> > extended
> >> >> > to you. YOU DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION!
>
> >> >> No one chooses to end up in a war zone except those who want to
end up
> >> >> there.
>
> >> > YOU STATED ... I would never be dumb enough to end up in a war.
>
> >> I said war ZONE.
>
> > You DID NOT! You replied, "I would prefer to spend time in service
> > during wartime than in peacetime."
>
> Here is the relevant statement:
>
> >> I would never be dumb enough to end up in a war zone, unless it was
of
> >> the
> >> caliber of WWII of course.
What is relevant here is that your response did not answer the
question as asked.
> >> > I REPLIED ... I don't recall the military giving anyone a choice
in
>
>
>
> >> > the matter.
>
> >> > YOU REPLIED ... No one chooses to end up in a war zone except those
> >> > who want to end up there.
>
> >> > The point is that not all those who ended up in Vietnam chose to be
> >> > there or wanted to be there and I count myself among them. "Being
> >> > dumb" played no role in the selction process.
>
> >> You were not part of a professional all-volunteer military. If you
had
> >> been,
> >> you would have wanted to be there.
>
> > Yeah right, like no one ever chose to volunteer because it was a
> > choice they made because of the poor economy and lack of employment,
> > etc. (lesser of two evils). Get real. You really are out of touch.
>
> Unlike you, I give adults credit for knowing what they are doing and
what
> they are getting into when they volunteer for military service.
And what about what they are fleeing from that in some instances
initiated the decision ... the flip-side of the equation? What do you
not understand about people having to make difficult choices between
two alternatives that they would rather not have to chose between
given a different wet cir***stances?
> >> But even in a draft military, it possible
> >> to arrange things so that it is highly unlikely that you will ever
end up
> >> in
> >> a war zone.
>
> > You know nothing of what you speak, but that has never stopped you
> > before. Where were you when the countless numbers were trying their
> > best to avoid a war-zone. Where were you then? Arrange? Care to
> > explain that? You volunteered for the Navy so as not to be drafted
> > and have a choice of branch of service, just like some volunteered in
> > an attempt to avoid a war-zone during war-time.
>
> All it takes is some minimum of brains. Too bad that lets you out.
A gratuitous insult is no substitute for logic and/or reasoning.
Typically, you failed to address any issue raised above ... a common
practice of yours when you have nothing to offer to substantiate
something you thoughtlessly said hoping for it to be accepted at face
value without being questioned. I'm still awaiting your explanation.
Don't have one ... do you?
> >> Even being in Vietnam was not all that dangerous provided you
> >> were not grunt infantry.
>
> > Bull****. Guess you never heard of tunnels beneath United States
> > Vietnam Headquarters, rockets, women sacrificing their own children
> > by attaching live grenade to them an having them approach GIs for a
> > stick of gum, strychnine laced cocaine, sapper attacks in rear element
> > areas, etc. . I could go on, but the fact is that you weren't there
> > and have no basis upon which to formulate an informed decision. There
> > are some places safer than others, but there is no such thing as
> > safety in a war-zone.
>
> See the movie "Apocalypse Now" to know how the majority did their time
in
> Vietnam.
I experienced Vietnam firsthand. Saw the movie. Do you accept what
hollyweird provides as a substitute for experience and reality ...
gullible one? Regardless, your diversion is duly noted. Rather that
address any of what I offered in evidence that one does not have to be
a "front line grunt" to be in danger in a war zone, you introduced
another immaterial tangent irrelevant to the discussion . Stay
focused and keep up to speed why don't you. Let me assist you. Re-
read the paragraph above and take another crack at it.
> >> >> That was not true in WWII, but it has been true in all subsequent
> >> >> wars. As long as I was not being shot at, I would prefer to spend
time
> >> >> in
> >> >> service during wartime than in peacetime.
>
> >> > You did not answer the question asked. I asked if you would rather
> >> > spene 4 years in a pecae-time military or 2 years in a war-time
> >> > military ... IN A WAR ZONE. You continue to confuse WAR-TIME and
WAR-
> >> > ZONE. ON doe not have to be shot at to die in a war-zone ...
happens
> >> > all the time.
>
> >> I would choose to be in a war zone because I know it is not very
> >> dangerous
> >> provided you are not going out on patrol engaging the enemy. By the
way
> >> plenty of military personnel die in peacetime due to accidents.
>
> > You haven't a clue. See what I said above.
>
> >> >> Who wants to spend all their days
> >> >> cleaning garbage pails which is what can happen to you in the
military
> >> >> during peacetime.
> >> >> [...]
>
> >> > Apparently they found a job for which you were suitably qualified.
>
> >> It was part of KP at boot camp. but you never got away from the
chicken
> >> ****
> >> inspections and field days. Always cleaning, cleaning, cleaning. ****
the
> >> Navy!
>
> > Boot camp doesn't last 4 years and is not a Navy only experience. KP
> > and Field inspection is not unique to the Navy either. I had KP duty
> > in Vietnam.
>
> The Navy is a very tradition bound service, much more so than any of the
> other services, with the possible exception of the Marines.
This was not about tradition, but about shared common experiences in
the military. You do have problems with focus, don't you?
> >> >> >> The military does not take the dregs of humanity. Such types
are
> >> >> >> usually
> >> >> >> only to be found in our state prisons.
>
> >> >> > The current military has criminals and gang members in service
... a
> >> >> > well know fact. Are these not dregs? Are ALL dreg in state
> >> >> > prisons?
> >> >> > Don't be ridiculous.
>
> >> >> The military will not take those who have serious criminal
records.
>
> >> > Currently their are waivers for an assortment of crimes for which
one
> >> > would be sreened out if employing a job in the private sector and
gang-
> >> > bangers are commonplace in the military. Gang graffiti can now be
> >> > found all over Iraq.
>
> >> Gang graffiti can be found all over Worthington and most other places
in
> >> America. But it is not murder, only an eyesore.
>
> > Attempted diversion duly noted. The point is that it graffiti wasn't
> > found in the conscripted military, because the conscripted military
> > was not comprised of gang-bangers like your beloved professional
> > volunteer military.
>
> The culture has changed in the intervening years. Society overall is
more
> rotten now than it ever was before.
> [...]
Granted, but as I said before, standards of acceptance were once
higher in th military than they are in your beloved volunteer
professional military.
> >> But those in prison are there for serious offences. You really have
to
> >> ****
> >> up big time in order to earn a prison sentence in our society today.
>
> > How are those mistakenly imprisoned guilty of anything? According to
> > you way of thinking, If were to murder you, but never was caught and
> > imprisoned, my offense would not be a serious one. Glad you set me
> > straight on that.
>
> You would be caught right away because this correspondnece is being
> preserved for all eternity by Google. I have also given your name to the
> local police. You would not enjoy our state prisons. Someone like Ed Gin
> would end up having you for his *****.
I'll ask again ... How are those mistakenly imprisoned guilty of
anything?
If I were you, I'd be concerned about much of what you have written
being preserved for all eternity by Google. I do not live in fear of
the police. The only crime I have committed here on Usenet is wasting
my time on you ... now that's a crime. Besides it would likely go
down like this ... one officer to another. Here he comes again ...
Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows. Just humor
the old fool. Take a re****t and then just **** can it. We've run out
of room in our filing cabinets. Good that my break came at just the
right time. He's all yours. I'm out of here.
Since you deliberately avoided answering my question invoking your
favorite tactic ... DIVERSION, allow me to rephrase what I said,
taking me out of the equation. According to your way of thinking, If
someone were to murder you, but never was caught and imprisoned, the
offense would not be a serious one. Glad you set me
straight on that.
> >> >> Many of them should be executed rather than warehoused as it
> >> >> would be cheaper for society to do that provided appeals are kept
to
> >> >> the
> >> >> bare minimum.
>
> >> > That is an irrelevant, diversionary, tangential topic. I'll not go
> >> > there. You do have problems focusing on the topic at hand? Do you
> >> > have attention deficit disorder?
>
> >> Narrow discussions don't interest me, especially when all that is
going
> >> on
> >> is your stalking behavior. The entire newsgroup is sick to death of
you
> >> ever
> >> since the days of Ed Gin.
>
> > TRANSLATION: I don't much like it when I feel trapped by irrefutable
> > logic. I makes me look bad (read not so great and not as intelligent
> > or as superior as I claim to be).
>
> Translation: I do not like pathetic stalkers who are given to ***ual
> innuendo. Why not run this post past your wife and see what she thinks
of
> it - and you?
> [...]
Answered the wife issue many times before. That discussion is
history , remember. Short-term memory loss is a terrible thing. As
for the rest ... boring, regurgitated copy and past boilerplate
because you can do no better. As for your translation of my
translation, I thought English was you primary language. Time for a
refresher.
> ****ing Regards,
>
> Ed Dolan the Great - Minnesota
> aka
> Saint Edward the Great - Order of the Perpetual Sorrows - Minnesota
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