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Re: "never stand before the bull"

by "Jeremy Parker" <JeremyParker@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 21, 2008 at 04:24 PM

[snip]

>> Goodness gracious. All this is very un-British. I live, and ride 
>> my
>> bicycle in London, which seems to be the far-away land that you 
>> are
>> talking about. London's a pretty good city to ride a bicycle in, 
>> no
>> need for new laws or conventions.

>Oh, c'mon. The article was written by a Briton about Great Britain.

As, indeed, was my previous e-mail. As indeed is this one.  I can 
look out of my window, right here, at actual London traffic.

>I've said your driving laws are very good

Thankyou.  I missed that posting, I guess.  My apologies.  What is it 
about our laws that impresses you?  Are we unique, or do other places 
have similar laws?

> and your new laws
>restricting traffic into London are very encouraging,

Well, I have to admit that we haven't quite reached perfection yet. 
Oxford Street, for example, from which private cars were already 
banned before the congestion charge, has obviously - all too 
obviously - not had its congestion reduced at all, because all those 
buses, taxis, and delivery vehicles still clog it up.  The "City" 
part of London probably benefited more from the "ring of steel" anti 
terrorism precautions which were introduced somewhat before the 
congestion charges reduced motorised traffic still further.

>but I trust the
>writer's statement that cyclists still live under the law of the
>jungle in London to be right.

Hmm.  As one who lives here, and cycles here, I would say that is 
unwise.  Cycling is safe enough here that, if you do choose to live 
by the law of the jungle, your mean free path between collisions 
might be long enough for you to get away with it, but it's still not 
a good idea.

>>Either London is like Amsterdam, or it's not a welcoming place for
>cyclists.

Now you are just being silly.  Cambridge is the British city which 
has more cycling than Amsterdam, but I think that London is a better 
city to cycle in than Cambridge.  Of course, London has a good enough 
public trans****t system for really the only reason to ride a bike in 
London to be because it is fun.  People travel thousands of miles to 
come and ride on our buses, and our taxis, and their drivers, really 
are wonderful.  A London taxi can carry a bike, too, in case of 
emergency.

London is rather bigger than Amsterdam.  London was the largest city 
in the world when I was growing up, although other ciries have long 
since overtaken it.  Amsterdam is such a dinky little town that you 
can **walk** from the center of town - the main train station - to 
the Ring Road, their beltway, in an hour.

>How many people ride bike in London?

The should be new annual figures out any time now - watch for a press 
release from Trans****t for London on their web site www.tfl.gov.uk. 
Last years figures estimate 480 000 journeys a day.  I would guess 
that most people take around two journeys a day, rather than getting 
on the train with their bike to come home again.  Whether this 
includes journeys to a train station, I don't know.  Most London 
statistics count only the "main leg" of a journey, so riding to the 
station to catch a train might not be counted

>Give me a percentage to
>show.

About 1.5% averaged over all London.  Around 7% in Central London 
(roughly the congestion charge zone).  The south western part of 
London seems to have a higher rate of cycling than average, nobody 
knows why.  London is tending now to base its statistics on the 
automatic bike counters on the TLRN (Trunk London Road Network) 
Because of the nature of the TLRN this might lead to some 
undercounting in Outer London.

>Anyway, I'd rather ride a bike in London than in places where still
>the drivers ignore any civilized rules of the road. In America we 
>have
>to tame the beast first. ;)

Having ridden many miles on both sides of th Altlantic, I would say 
that there is not much in it, though there are, of course, many 
places in the USA where I have not ridden (Chicago, for example). 
Civilized or not - that might depend on your definition of civilized, 
which doesn't always seem to be the same as everyone's on this 
newsgroup - I would say that there always are rules, and when you 
ride or bike, or are anywhere among other people, it's advisable to 
know what those rules are.

>I read the reviews of the book, but I'm sure even bullfighting can 
>be
>done in a safe way if you know the tricks of the trade

[snip]

The moral of which, I take it, is to know the tricks of the trade. 
Buy a copy of "Effective Cycling"

Jeremy Parker
 




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"Jeremy Parker"  2008-04-19 20:39:05 
Re: "never stand before the bull"
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-04-20 13:38:49 
Re: "never stand before the bull"
"Jeremy Parker"  2008-04-21 16:24:01 
Re: "never stand before the bull"
NEWS@[EMAIL PROTECTED] (  2008-04-23 12:06:22 
Re: "never stand before the bull"
Jym Dyer <jym@[EMAIL P  2008-04-23 00:15:13 
Re: everybody is armed and dangerous
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-04-20 15:49:55 
Re: BAD LAWS + CARS + GUNS = DEATH & FEAR
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-04-21 06:44:14 
Re: BAD LAWS + CARS + GUNS = DEATH & FEAR
Eric Vey <junker@[EMAI  2008-04-21 17:53:53 
Re: no need to cry over the soccer moms
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-04-21 07:06:34 
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ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-04-21 07:28:07 
Re: BAD LAWS + CARS + GUNS = DEATH & FEAR
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-04-21 14:05:09 
Re: BAD LAWS + CARS + GUNS = DEATH & FEAR
Bob <hunrobe@[EMAIL PR  2008-04-21 18:59:21 
Re: BAD LAWS + CARS + GUNS = DEATH & FEAR
Tom Sherman <sunsetss0  2008-04-21 21:02:23 
Re: kind of impractical for cyclists to carry a gun under a lycr
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-04-22 05:38:25 
Re: BAD LAWS + CARS + GUNS = DEATH & FEAR
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-04-22 05:46:33 
Re: everybody is armed and dangerous
Pat <groups@[EMAIL PRO  2008-04-22 10:05:56 
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Tom Sherman <sunsetss0  2008-04-22 18:50:10 
Re: "never stand before the bull"
ComandanteBanana <noli  2008-04-22 14:03:05 
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