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Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell

by Mike Vandeman <mjvande@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Jul 5, 2008 at 09:17 PM

On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 13:21:31 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
<Siskuwihane1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:

>On Jul 5, 3:24 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 04:19:38 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <Siskuwiha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >On Jul 4, 10:28 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 16:38:05 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>
>> >> <Siskuwiha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >On Jul 4, 2:22 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 05:35:16 -0700 (PDT), Siskuwihane
>>
>> >> >> <Siskuwiha...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> >On Jul 4, 1:32 am, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:09:57 -0700 (PDT),
shragap...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>> >> >> >> >On Jul 2, 11:48 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 2 Jul 2008 13:35:51 -0700 (PDT),
shragap...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >On Jul 1, 8:53 pm, Mike Vandeman <mjva...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 1 Jul 2008 08:47:01 -0700 (PDT),
shragap...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> >On Jun 30, 12:21 am, Mike Vandeman
<mjva...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >There you go again...Liar. I don't mountain bike.
Therefore you lie
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >again by saying i do.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >> You did once, making you a mountain biker, LIAR.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >He did once, making him a mountain biker?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> >So did you, once:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Learn to read. He used to be a mountain biker, once. I
didn't say he
>> >> >> >> >> >> mountain biked one time. DUH!
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >Why are you being so defensive? I just made an observation
about the
>> >> >> >> >> >words you wrote.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >There is no reason for a rational reader to interpret the
above
>> >> >> >> >> >exchange as he "used to be a mountain biker, once." Those
words aren’t
>> >> >> >> >> >there. These are:
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >maguahiker: "I don't mountain bike."
>> >> >> >> >> >Dr. Vandeman: "You did once, making you a mountain biker"
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >In other words, you wrote, "You did [mountain bike] once,
making you a
>> >> >> >> >> >mountain biker."
>>
>> >> >> >> >> I didn't say "one time". I said "once", i.e. in the past.
>>
>> >> >> >> >Nobody suggested you wrote, "one time." Let's just use the
words you
>> >> >> >> >actually wrote, OK?
>>
>> >> >> >> >> >You also mountain biked once, according to your own letter
to the East
>> >> >> >> >> >Bay Regional Park District Board of Directors, which makes
you a
>> >> >> >> >> >mountain biker.
>>
>> >> >> >> >> No, it doesn't. I rode a mountain bike once. I was never a
mountain
>> >> >> >> >> biker. If you can't understand that, it's because you don't
care to.
>>
>> >> >> >> >Don't project how you think I should feel. Try to be
objective.
>>
>> >> >> >> >You didn't write that maguahiker was a mountain biker once.
Those
>> >> >> >> >words aren't there. You and he clearly referred to the act of
mountain
>> >> >> >> >biking, not being a mountain biker.
>>
>> >> >> >> >Are you now suggesting that when you rode the mountain bike
on those
>> >> >> >> >fire roads used by mountain bikers a few days before you
weren't
>> >> >> >> >mountain biking? How is that possible? Were the racers there
four days
>> >> >> >> >prior not mountain biking?
>>
>> >> >> >> >maguahiker: "I don't mountain bike."
>> >> >> >> >Dr. Vandeman to maguahiker: "You did [mountain bike] once,
making you
>> >> >> >> >a mountain biker."
>> >> >> >> >Dr. Vandeman about himself: "I rode a mountain bike once."
>>
>> >> >> >> >You are a mountain biker, Dr. Vandeman.
>>
>> >> >> >> Do I have to teach you EVERYTHING?
>>
>> >> >> >No, because you are not a teacher, never have been, never will
be.
>>
>> >> >> Yes, I have been. You obviously are (1) utterly ignorant, (2) a
LIAR,
>> >> >> or (3) BOTH utterly ignorant and a LIAR.
>>
>> >> >You claimed mountain biking is a crime against nature. You
committed
>> >> >a
>> >> >crime against nature when you mountain biked. You committed the
same
>> >> >crime you preach against. You killed wildlife and destroyed
habitat.
>> >> >You are a mountain biker and you are a hypocrite.
>>
>> >> You are a mountain biker complaining about someone else mountain
>> >> biking. That's called a "hypocrite".
>>
>> >I am not a mountain biker.
>>
>> You defend mountain biking. Same thing.
>
>Nope, try to be honest just once. You lied and said I worked for an
>airline.

You are LYING. A lie must be a conscious falsehood. Since I don't know
exactly what you do, and relied on my memory, that is at worst an
error, not a lie. Of course, you already knew that, and chose to LIE
and call it a "lie".

> You lied and said I was a mountain biker.

That's at worst an error, not a lie.

 You lied and said
>you wrote a book on mountain biking.

That's another lie. I said I "wrote the book on mountain biking
impacts". That's an expression that means I wrote the definitive work
on that subject. It doesn't mean I wrote a book on mountain biking.
Learn English!

> You killed wildlife

That's another deliberate lie, since you don't know that, can't know
that, and KNOW that you don't.

 and destroyed
>habitat because you were selfish and went mountain biking. You are a
>liar and a fraud.

No, but you certainly are. You just proved it.
-- 
I am working on creating wildlife habitat that is off-limits to
humans ("pure habitat"). Want to help? (I spent the previous 8 
years fighting auto dependence and road construction.)

Please don't put a cell phone next to any part of your body that you are
fond of!

http://home.pacbell.net/mjvande
 




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The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-06-18 21:05:28 
Re: The lies about mountain biking from a nutbar
"Ist-e Mundus, Furia  2008-06-19 21:58:28 
Re: The lies about mountain biking from a nutbar
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-06-20 19:55:21 
Re: The lies about mountain biking from a nutbar
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-06-20 21:47:37 
Re: The lies about mountain biking from a nutbar
"Ist-e Mundus, Furia  2008-06-20 22:58:52 
Re: The lies about mountain biking from a nutbar
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-06-21 10:12:55 
Re: The lies about mountain biking from a nutbar
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-06-21 18:05:57 
Re: The lies about mountain biking from a nutbar
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-06-21 19:05:24 
Re: The lies about mountain biking from a nutbar
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-06-22 02:18:16 
Re: The lies about mountain biking from a nutbar
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-06-22 09:34:42 
Re: The lies about mountain biking from a nutbar
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-06-22 17:06:56 
Re: The lies about mountain biking from a nutbar
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-06-22 09:22:52 
Re: The lies about mountain biking from a nutbar
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-06-22 09:36:37 
Re: The lies about mountain biking from a nutbar
"Jeff Strickland&quo  2008-06-22 17:06:03 
Re: The lies about mountain biking from a nutbar
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-06-22 15:50:13 
Re: The lies about mountain biking from a nutbar
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-06-22 21:13:39 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
chatnoir <wolfbat359a@  2008-06-22 17:06:27 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-06-22 21:23:41 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-06-23 00:30:46 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-06-25 18:24:29 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"Ist-e Mundus, Furia  2008-06-25 19:47:44 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-06-25 20:31:21 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Siskuwihane <Siskuwiha  2008-07-01 18:57:21 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-02 20:45:06 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"sohn@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-02 03:11:42 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-02 08:22:30 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-02 20:46:04 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
shragapier@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-02 13:35:51 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-02 20:48:53 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-04 13:56:53 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-04 19:15:53 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-04 20:24:38 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-05 12:23:23 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Siskuwihane <Siskuwiha  2008-07-05 04:19:38 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-05 12:24:36 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"sohn@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-08 15:18:16 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-13 17:31:22 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-13 20:55:24 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-09 05:43:03 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-09 17:04:02 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-14 03:00:48 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-14 20:08:17 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"sohn@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-05 06:43:06 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-05 12:25:37 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"sohn@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-02 14:15:23 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-02 17:00:09 
Retitled: A NUTCASE scribbling about mountain biking
"sohn@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-06-26 14:47:02 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-06-28 06:07:22 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-06-28 10:26:27 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-03 02:58:36 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
shragapier@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-03 07:09:57 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-03 22:32:53 
Re:The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Siskuwihane <Siskuwiha  2008-07-05 13:21:31 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-05 21:17:11 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-05 19:00:32 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-05 21:19:03 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-09 17:26:32 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-10 06:56:26 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-15 00:44:16 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-15 17:20:52 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"sohn@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-06-28 07:29:02 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-06-29 18:57:09 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-06-29 21:21:15 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Siskuwihane <Siskuwiha  2008-07-04 05:35:16 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-04 11:22:00 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Siskuwihane <Siskuwiha  2008-07-06 04:28:24 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-07 17:39:46 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-06 08:19:12 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Tom Sherman <sunsetss0  2008-07-06 11:11:47 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-07 17:32:17 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Siskuwihane <Siskuwiha  2008-07-10 12:03:17 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-15 18:24:31 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-11 06:24:47 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-12 20:39:08 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"sohn@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-06 09:23:17 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-07 17:35:32 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-04 06:20:47 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-04 11:23:00 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"sohn@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-04 07:16:01 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-04 11:24:20 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"DI" <di9999  2008-07-04 14:28:21 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-04 19:15:11 
Re: The truth about mountain biking from a nutbar.
Siskuwihane <Siskuwiha  2008-06-30 04:51:07 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-06-30 18:07:15 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
shragapier@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-01 08:47:01 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-01 17:53:22 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Siskuwihane <Siskuwiha  2008-07-04 16:38:05 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-04 19:17:29 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
Mike Vandeman <mjvande  2008-07-04 19:28:03 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"sohn@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-07-01 17:05:57 
Re: The truth about mountain biking in a nutshell
"maguahiker@[EMAIL P  2008-07-01 17:34:59 
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